Re: Another nail in the First Amendment coffin?
William Tinker (wtinker@fcgnetworks.net)
Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:51:20 -0500
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It appears that our courts are now becoming breeding places for =
political mal-content.I have had little faith in the judicial system =
since I have been made to witness and be part of my fiancees 13 year =
fight to get her daughter taken away from persons whom preyed on her =
emotions and love for her baby and took the child with out her =
permission.
Telling her that the state was going to take the child if they did not. =
My fiancee was a naive young woman,and completely trusted these =
persons,because they appeared so concerned.
The truth was found out after ten years and the statute of limitations =
has expired on kidnapping has expired in N.H........The four people that =
took this child were all in collusion to permanently deprive her of the =
love and affection and comfort of this her only child!
We have fought from Superior Court,to Probate Court,And finally its on =
appeal to New Hampshire Supreme Court,it has kept us in debt up to our =
eye brows for the past five years,but the constitution says that perents =
have inherent rights to parent,and have a say in their childs up =
bringing,life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I can see that these desk jockeys(judgEs) are capable of dashing =
and smashing our constutional rights in our faces but you have to smile =
and tell them you love them,and appeal that decision too because thats =
the american way of the justice system,if you fight long and hard enough =
you usually can prevail!!!!
I know that my fiancees problems are not half as bad as the problems of =
the homeless right now. So I apologize for going off on a tirade but I =
wanted to point out that each court is different and sometimes a change =
of venue is in order to get JUSTICE.
I will sign off but believe me I know what it is to pan handle for a =
living and to clean Dunkin Donuts,and shovel door ways to get food ...So =
remember this for every time we do a good deed we are enriched =
personally,I feel this way any how if I can help one person in a time of =
conflict or dilema so be it I will .
Bill=20
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From: Peace through Reason=20
To: HPN@aspin.asu.edu=20
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:01 PM
Subject: Another nail in the First Amendment coffin?
November 1, 1999
Court Backs Fla. Panhandling Law
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Filed at 10:25 a.m. EST=20
By The Associated Press=20
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Homeless people who say they have a free-speech =
right to beg for handouts at the city beach in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., =
lost a Supreme Court appeal today.=20
The court, without comment, turned away arguments that said the city's =
panhandling ban is too broad.=20
A 1993 regulation prohibits ``soliciting, begging or panhandling'' on =
a five-mile strip of Fort Lauderdale's city beach and the sidewalks on =
each side of an adjacent street.=20
The regulation states that it is intended to ``eliminate nuisance =
activity on the beach and provide patrons with a pleasant environment.'' =
A group of homeless people challenged the regulation in a federal =
class-action lawsuit, saying it violated the Constitution's First =
Amendment guarantee of free speech.=20
The city could have imposed a narrower rule that barred only hostile =
or aggressive panhandling, or restricted begging to specific areas of =
the beach, the lawsuit contended.=20
A federal judge and the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the =
regulation. Governments can restrict expression in public areas to serve =
a legitimate interest as long as they leave open other avenues of =
expression, the appeals court ruled, noting that panhandling still is =
allowed in other parts of Fort Lauderdale.=20
In the appeal acted on today, the homeless people's lawyers said there =
was no evidence of complaints from tourists or business owners that =
begging had created a nuisance at the beach.=20
``This court has never upheld a law completely precluding speech in a =
public forum based upon the bare assertion that the speech is a nuisance =
and that the environment would be more pleasant if the speech were =
banned,'' the appeal said.=20
The city's lawyers urged the justices to reject the appeal. ``The =
First Amendment does not guarantee the right to communicate one's views =
at all times and places or in any manner that may be desired,'' they =
said.=20
The case is Smith vs. Fort Lauderdale, 99-377.=20
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It appears that our courts are =
now becoming=20
breeding places for political mal-content.I have had little faith in the =
judicial system since I have been made to witness and be part of my =
fiancees 13=20
year fight to get her daughter taken away from persons whom preyed on =
her=20
emotions and love for her baby and took the child with out her=20
permission.
Telling her that the state was =
going to take=20
the child if they did not. My fiancee was a naive young woman,and =
completely=20
trusted these persons,because they appeared so concerned.
The truth was found out after ten =
years and=20
the statute of limitations has expired on kidnapping has expired in=20
N.H........The four people that took this child were all in collusion to =
permanently deprive her of the love and affection and comfort of this =
her only=20
child!
We have fought from Superior =
Court,to Probate=20
Court,And finally its on appeal to New Hampshire Supreme Court,it has =
kept us in=20
debt up to our eye brows for the past five years,but the constitution =
says that=20
perents have inherent rights to parent,and have a say in their childs up =
bringing,life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I can see that these desk=20
jockeys(judgEs) are capable of dashing and =
smashing our=20
constutional rights in our faces but you have to smile and tell them you =
love=20
them,and appeal that decision too because thats the american way of the =
justice=20
system,if you fight long and hard enough you usually can=20
prevail!!!!
I know that my fiancees problems =
are not half=20
as bad as the problems of the homeless right now. So I apologize =
for going=20
off on a tirade but I wanted to point out that each court is different =
and=20
sometimes a change of venue is in order to get JUSTICE.
I will sign off but believe me I =
know what it=20
is to pan handle for a living and to clean Dunkin Donuts,and shovel door =
ways to=20
get food ...So remember this for every time we do a good deed we are =
enriched=20
personally,I feel this way any how if I can help one person in a time of =
conflict or dilema so be it I will .
&nbs=
p;  =
; =
=20
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 =
9:01=20
PM
Subject: Another nail in the =
First=20
Amendment coffin?
November 1, 1999
Court Backs Fla.=20
Panhandling Law
Filed at =
10:25 a.m.=20
EST
By The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) -- =
Homeless people=20
who say they have a free-speech right to beg for handouts at the city =
beach in=20
Fort Lauderdale, Fla., lost a Supreme Court appeal today.
The =
court,=20
without comment, turned away arguments that said the city's =
panhandling ban is=20
too broad.
A 1993 regulation prohibits ``soliciting, begging =
or=20
panhandling'' on a five-mile strip of Fort Lauderdale's city beach and =
the=20
sidewalks on each side of an adjacent street.
The regulation =
states=20
that it is intended to ``eliminate nuisance activity on the beach and =
provide=20
patrons with a pleasant environment.''
A group of homeless =
people=20
challenged the regulation in a federal class-action lawsuit, saying it =
violated the Constitution's First Amendment guarantee of free speech.=20
The city could have imposed a narrower rule that barred only =
hostile=20
or aggressive panhandling, or restricted begging to specific areas of =
the=20
beach, the lawsuit contended.
A federal judge and the 11th =
U.S.=20
Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the regulation. Governments can =
restrict=20
expression in public areas to serve a legitimate interest as long as =
they=20
leave open other avenues of expression, the appeals court ruled, =
noting that=20
panhandling still is allowed in other parts of Fort Lauderdale. =
In the=20
appeal acted on today, the homeless people's lawyers said there was no =
evidence of complaints from tourists or business owners that begging =
had=20
created a nuisance at the beach.
``This court has never upheld =
a law=20
completely precluding speech in a public forum based upon the bare =
assertion=20
that the speech is a nuisance and that the environment would be more =
pleasant=20
if the speech were banned,'' the appeal said.
The city's =
lawyers urged=20
the justices to reject the appeal. ``The First Amendment does not =
guarantee=20
the right to communicate one's views at all times and places or in any =
manner=20
that may be desired,'' they said.
The case is Smith vs. Fort=20
Lauderdale, 99-377.
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