Re: Place

Virginia Sellner (wch@vcn.com)
Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:53:20 -0700 (MST)


>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:41:46 -0600 (CST)
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>From: Talmadge Wright <twright@orion.it.luc.edu>
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>The need for ecological sustainability is correct and desirable. A good
>film which shows how this can be done is "Escape from Alluenza" put out by
>Bullfrog Films (www.bullfrogfilms.com) which documents the pursuit of
>simple living with less. This scaling down of materialism is essential if
>the planet is going to survive, but especially critical for affluent
>Americans and other to practice. The pursuit of expanded consumption,
>stimulated by marketing and advertising is necessary for the continued
>expansion of profits to wealthy investors of capital. Less
>consumption=less profits for the few. Profits shuold be shared by all
>of us, since all employment is social and public - now thought of
>fasley as privte. The problem of declining employment
>must be dealt with by shortening work hours (what the hell is sacred
>about the 8 hr, read 12 hour inthe 1990s work day) WITHOUT LOSS OF PAY. 
>	The problem with the simple living thesis is not in the values it
>embraces but in the nature of capital ownership of land, buildings,
>factories, and government. Ideally, simple living would be the wave of the
>future - but, to get there requires tackling the impact of power,
>privilege and private ownership of wealth and property by the very few at
>the expense of the many. Social justice and the combating of
>inequality should be intrinsic to an ecological lifstyle. The other
>problem with the simple living thesis, related to the first problem is
>that it assumes all social problems can be resolved at the individual
>consumer level (just save your cans and recycle). If this were true the
>solution would be simple. We must face the totalitarian power of financial
>capital, the undemocratic nature of large multinational corporations, the
>oligarchic reality of our present government. There is no other way than
>through this mess. We may not survive the struggle, but if we don't engage
>in the politics of equity and democracy (and I don't mean just voting), of
>people's control of the means of production not wealthy oligarchs, then we
>shall all perish. Think about the student struggles going on right now in
>Malaysia. Remember the struggles for a democratic and socialist
>Chile under Allende crushed by the fascist Pinochet. Examples are all
>around us. Sorry for going on so long. Talmadge
>
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>On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, jan hearthstone wrote:
>
>>   The solution is not "back to the land", the
>> solution is to live ecologically sustainably, as any
>> opther way (i.e. "against the grain" of natural
>> environmental processes)will result in increasing
>> enviromental and social degradation.
>>   You are right, things are really bad. However, any
>> other solution than an ecological sustainability
>> would be ineffective. I beleive that most people
>> think that there is no solution to current human
>> problems, it does look desperate. But, if it could be
>> demonstrated that there are viable ecologically
>> sustainable models, it would only take time to change
>> things for better.
>>   
>>   sincerely - Hearthstone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---Talmadge Wright <twright@orion.it.luc.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > The problem is that your proposed solution  - back
>> to the land is
>> > unrealistic for the vast majority of people,
>> housed, homeless or
>> > otherwise. Why is this? because in a capitalist
>> economy such as ours, land
>> > is a commodity which is bought and sold just like
>> labor. If you are
>> > wealthy or have money, or can pool your money then
>> you might be able to
>> > purchase some land - then you are faced with
>> finding ways to buy grain,
>> > support livestock, etc. In other words the cost of
>> land has increased as
>> > coporate ownership of land has expanded. Aside from
>> this problem. The vast
>> > majority have no interest in exchanging the hope
>> for a middle class
>> > lifestyle for a return to reduced possibilities for
>> advancement. Some do
>> > like that, mostly those who embrace an alternative
>> lifestyle. But, such
>> > people, are most often young, unmarried and without
>> children. It is not an
>> > option for older, working families, homeless or
>> not, unless it can be made
>> > economically viable. In the cities it will simply
>> not work, except in
>> > small collective plots, which cannot raise enough
>> food to support a
>> > community on a year round basis. 
>> > 	Huge investments enter the picture, because that
>> is what is
>> > reuqired in order to purchase land that has been
>> treated as a commodity.
>> > If you want to seize such land, then you will have
>> to face th epower of
>> > the military, policy, and courts. Clearly, that has
>> been a viable option
>> > in Latin America where lack of land reform IS the
>> main barrier to housing
>> > and social advancement.  Talmadge
>> > 
>> >  > > 
>> > >   All you'd need is a piece of land to grow food
>> and
>> > > build a shelter (not a castle, mind you) on.
>> > >   How do the huge investments come in? For what?
>> > >   Hearthstone.
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > ---Talmadge Wright <twright@orion.it.luc.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Heatherstone and other members of the list.
>> > > Clearly, the problems of
>> > > > solving homelessness are complicated by the
>> > > conservative political
>> > > > climate of both the Democratic, Republican and
>> > > Reform Party. Why is this?
>> > > > Because to solve the problem requires a massive
>> > > FEDERal investment in
>> > > > low-income housing (not affordable!) and the
>> > > payments of "liviable" wage
>> > > > jobs for workers. This is opposed by members of
>> the
>> > > ruling elites. I
>> > > > suggest you check out the excellent series of
>> > > articles by the San
>> > > > Francisco Bay Area Guardian (www.sfbg.org) from
>> > > October 7, 1998 on the
>> > > > "Economic Cleansing of San Francisco." The series
>> > > sum up nicely the basic
>> > > > problems of why things look the way that they do
>> > > and what can be done
>> > > > about it. Good luck. Talmadge
>> > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > >   My server did not want to send this to
>> > > wch@vcn.com 
>> > > > >   saying it needed a real name in the
>> addresss, so
>> > > > > here it goes to all. J.H.
>> > > hearthstone@rocketmail.com
>> > > > > 
>> > > > >   The answer would be to create better homes
>> and
>> > > > > better comunities than those the "homeful" ones
>> > > have.
>> > > > > Most homefuls actually don't have such a good
>> deal
>> > > > > anyhow. Why do you think they have to keep
>> two jobs
>> > > > > etc?
>> > > > >   Why not to start sane, ecologically
>> sustainable
>> > > > > communities? Grow all the food, and make all we
>> > > need?
>> > > > >   Just a thought, but where there is will,
>> there
>> > > is a
>> > > > > way.
>> > > > >   Hearthstone.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > ---Virginia Sellner <wch@vcn.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >To: fnb@tao.ca gathering.cygnus.com
>> > > > > homeless@csf.colorado.edu
>> > > > > > streetkid-l@jbu.edu 
>> > > > > > >From: wch@vcn.com (Virginia Sellner)
>> > > > > > >Subject: Place
>> > > > > > >Cc: 
>> > > > > > >Bcc: 
>> > > > > > >X-Attachments: 
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >PLACE
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Why do we have homelessness
>> > > > > > >in this the richest nation in the world?
>> > > > > > >We are divided -- us and them - the housed
>> and
>> > > the
>> > > > > unhoused.
>> > > > > > >What will it take to rid ourselves of this
>> > > > > disgrace --
>> > > > > > >to bring us together -- to unite us all?
>> > > > > > >More than the creation of affordable
>> housing.
>> > > > > > >More than availability of living wage jobs.
>> > > > > > >The housed have PLACE -- a home, community,
>> > > friends,
>> > > > > > >nurturing relationships, physical and
>> emotional
>> > > > > attachments.
>> > > > > > >These are lost to the unhoused.
>> > > > > > >The center of their world is ever changing,
>> > > > > > >Often dangerous and unhealthy.
>> > > > > > >They are separated from the housed.
>> > > > > > >Shattered -- they have no PLACE.
>> > > > > > >Deprived of home -- of place,  privacy,
>> > > > > > > belonging, rootedness, community,
>> > > > > > >without a reference point --
>> > > > > > >no way to define who they are.
>> > > > > > >Losing your home is to lose part of
>> yourself, 
>> > > > > > >the meaning of your life,
>> > > > > > >producing a profound sense of loss -- of
>> grief
>> > > > > > >How did this happen?
>> > > > > > >We think more of the unhoused AS A PROBLEM
>> > > > > > >rather than THE PROBLEMS of the unhoused.
>> > > > > > >This view results in lists and rules.
>> > > > > > >Hoops to jump through to obtain services
>> > > > > > >demanding and demeaning.
>> > > > > > >Rules that no housed person would tolerate.
>> > > > > > >Smacking of racism and classism.
>> > > > > > >How do we solve this --
>> > > > > > >how do we create PLACE for all?
>> > > > > > >The housed who have never experienced
>> > > homelessness
>> > > > > > >do not know the answers -- 
>> > > > > > >cannot understand the pain -- the loss, the
>> > > grief
>> > > > > > >Listen to the voices of the unhoused
>> > > > > > >hear their needs -- respond positively
>> > > > > > >Take responsibility --
>> > > > > > >Bring a sense of community -- of belonging
>> > > > > > >cohesiveness to all of society -- 
>> > > > > > >Bring a sense of PLACE back to the unhoused.
>> > > > > > >Each of us has a right to a place in society
>> > > > > > >A physical place -- a symbolic place
>> > > > > > >homelessness will not end without this
>> sense of
>> > > > > PLACE
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Virginia Sellner 1996
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Virginia Sellner
>> > > > > > Wyoming Coalition for the Homeless
>> > > > > > P. O. Box 1232
>> > > > > > Cheyenne, WY 82003-1232
>> > > > > > Located at 910 Central Ave. Upstairs
>> > > > > > (307) 634-8499
>> > > > > > email:  wch@vcn.com
>> > > > > > web page:  http://www.vcn.com/~wch
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > >
>> > >
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>> > > > 
>> > > > -- 
>> > > >
>> > >
>> ****************************************************************
>> > > > * Talmadge Wright				(773) 508-3451 *
>> > > > * Dept. of Sociology/Anthropology	    FAX:(773)
>> > > 508-7099 *
>> > > > * Loyola University Chicago				       *
>> > > > * 6525 N. Sheridan Rd.					       *
>> > > > * Chicago, Illinois 60626				       *
>> > > >
>> > >
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>> > > 
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>> ****************************************************************
>> > * Talmadge Wright				(773) 508-3451 *
>> > * Dept. of Sociology/Anthropology	    FAX:(773)
>> 508-7099 *
>> > * Loyola University Chicago				       *
>> > * 6525 N. Sheridan Rd.					       *
>> > * Chicago, Illinois 60626				       *
>> >
>> ****************************************************************
>> > 
>> 
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Virginia Sellner
Wyoming Coalition for the Homeless
P. O. Box 1232
Cheyenne, WY 82003-1232
Located at 910 Central Ave. Upstairs
(307) 634-8499
email:  wch@vcn.com
web page:  http://www.vcn.com/~wch