Re: LA Cop Shoots Woman Dead

Mike Steindel (
Sat, 22 May 1999 23:55:30 -0700 (PDT)

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I do not trust the LAPD to do a proper internal investigation of this
shooting or any other. My reasons for this point of view are based upon
studies done by the christopher commision that recommend an outside
investigative source. They and I feel that Gil Garcetti the cities DA
and the LAPD are much to cozy to perform an objective investigation. 

I find it unreasonable for cops to have to shoot and kill someone over a
shopping cart. Is this what President clinton wants his 100 thousand
extra cops for. Lets go out and stop the pillage of the local vons
stores. Wanted Dead or Alive for possible shopping cart theft. Hey there
were two cops who should have been trained in subduing a suspect. What I
suspect is there were two cops who decided to show homeless and more or
less defenseless woman who's boss. Damn it all its bad enough that
people are getting life under three strikes in california for pizza
theft but capitol punishment for a cart. and the politicians wonder
where kids are learning about violence from. Pick up the paper and read
all about those who are there to protect and serve...   Well thats what
I think... mike

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--WebTV-Mail-583136960-8422 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from ( by; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ( []) by (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id SAA02860 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ( []) by (PMDF V5.2-31 #31135) id <> (original mail from for; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from ( []) by (PMDF V5.2-31 #31135) with ESMTP id <>; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from ( []) by (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05757; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by (8.9.1/8.9.1 +antirelay (sneak 11/19/98)) id SAA13616 for hpn-outgoing; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ( []) by (8.9.1/8.9.1 +antirelay (sneak 11/19/98)) with ESMTP id SAA13612 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [] ( []) by (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16671; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Boland Subject: LA Cop Shoots Homeless Woman Dead FWD Sender: X-Sender: To: "HOMELESS PEOPLE'S NETWORK list" , Food Not Bombs list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: majordom set sender to using -f *********************************************************** HOMELESS PEOPLE'S VIEWS, News, Alerts, Actions & Research 5,000+ ONLINE posts by or via homeless & ex-homeless people HOMELESS PEOPLE'S NETWORK *********************************************************** An internal investigation occurs routinely after police shootings. Routinely, such shootings are judged "justifiable homicide". Do such internal investigations produce results you trust? Why or why not? If not, how can we best assure that police officers are held accountable under the law when they use excessive force? See below for a related article: FWD [California, USA] Los Angeles Times - Saturday, May 22, 1999 HOMELESS WOMAN DIES AFTER BEING SHOT BY OFFICER By Rich Connell, Times Staff Writer A homeless woman who allegedly threatened a Los Angeles police officer with a screwdriver died Friday afternoon after the officer shot her in the shoulder, detectives said. The woman, about 50 years old, was not immediately identified. She was pronounced dead at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center about half an hour after the shooting at La Brea Avenue and 4th Street in the Hancock Park area. Lt. Anthony Alba, an LAPD spokesman, said the incident began about 4:15 p.m., when two bicycle patrol officers--one male, the other female--tried to stop the woman on the sidewalk. Alba said the officers, neither of whom has been identified, wanted to question the woman to see if the shopping cart she was pushing had been stolen. According to Alba, the woman immediately began acting aggressively, threatening to kill the officers. Alba said she kept walking as an argument ensued, and during the dispute a motorist stopped and attempted to convince the woman to comply with the officers' instructions to come to a halt. The woman continued to walk, and when the officers again attempted to stop her, she began slashing at them with a screwdriver. The male officer, ducking out of the way, lost his balance. Feeling threatened, he fired one shot that struck the woman in the shoulder, Alba said. Why the officers did not attempt to subdue the woman with batons or pepper spray--both of which they carried--was not immediately clear. Alba said the homeless woman was black, the male officer is Asian and the female officer is of Asian and Latino ancestry. Officers cordoned off several blocks shortly after the shooting. Their investigation, which snarled Friday evening rush hour traffic in the area, continued well into the night. Several witnesses--one of them an off-duty woman officer who had a "birds-eye view" of the incident, were taken to the LAPD's Wilshire Division station for questioning, Alba said. He said none of the witnesses contradicted the account given by the officer who fired the shot. One man, however, told a KNX radio reporter that the officer did not fire until the woman turned away, no longer posing a threat. The man was not identified and police said they had not been able to find him. END FORWARD **In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only.** HOMELESS PEOPLE'S NETWORK 5,000+ POSTS by or via homeless & ex-homeless people Nothing About Us Without Us - Democratize Public Policy --WebTV-Mail-583136960-8422--