Re: NCH and the Amarican Homeless Society

Wandering Bear (
Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:59:37 PST

 As far as Im conserned theres only one definition for the term "Poverty 
Pimps" :Those who use the poor for their own finacial gain.

>Fine - then let's do it -- go after the poverty pimps -- I think 
>agrees on that -- perhaps they do not agree on who they are.  Fine, 
don't we
>all ask for the truth?  BUT some people are not willing to listen to it 
>it is stated.
>There are plenty of agencies out there that could be called poverty 
pimps by
>some, that have one goal in mind, and that goal is to put themselves 
out of
>business by working towards the solution for homelessness, and 
sometimes you
>include these as Poverty Pimps when they are not.  
>Once again if it does not fit AHS' definition then they arent 
>Pay attention to what is said on this list == and maybe you'll learn a 
>as a lot of us have.
>At 02:40 PM 12/26/97 PST, Wandering Bear wrote:
>>My target at this point is not N.C.H. or S.H.A.R.E. my target is 
>>an understanding.A means to close the gap on misunderstanding.
>> That means is a common goal between us.And from what I can gather 
>>goal is to oppose "Poverty Pimps"
>> Ive not made any accusation.And I dont care about any accusation made 
>>at this point.
>> The fact is that I do have a determand agenda to end the carrers of 
>>poverty pimps.And All Im asking is a simple aggreement or disagreement 
>>to this goal.
>> I applaude your actions in including the homeless as equal in your 
>>program.That is a something that is not done very often.
>> Please dont take it wrong if I ask for the truth.Thats something we 
>>need to expect.
>>>> All I want is an aggreement that "poverty Pimps"are an even 
>>>> greater danger to homeless rights that those who couldnt care less.
>>>> And that we wont have any thing to do with them.
>>>>  Aggreed?
>>>Wandering Bear, would you take a moment to answer the points I made 
>>>my post?  This is one of the frustrations that I have with Sharon and
>>>Ruben.  They do not dialogue -- they do not listen to other people 
>>>respond to what they actually say.  They come into a "discussion" 
>>>an agenda, determined to push everything on that agenda, and never
>>>depart from that agenda.
>>>You are determined that we all disown "poverty pimps".  I, and SHARE,
>>>have been spending a great deal of effort since June to call LIHI to
>>>account and force them to actually give homeless people a voice in
>>>their housing project decisions, instead of simply using our name to
>>>get funding and then patronizing us.  We are struggling to make them
>>>change, publishing the facts of their behavior to bring down public
>>>pressure to make them change, we are meeting with them face to face.
>>>I consider this to be actually *doing* something about the problem
>>>Sharon and Ruben are screaming about.  But we have had no support 
>>>Sharon or Ruben whatsoever.  Instead they attack Tim Harris, SHARE,
>>>NCH -- organizations that I have seen do nothing but good.  Do you
>>>understand why I give no credibility to their campaign?  I *am*
>>>opposing those you call "poverty pimps".  I don't paint myself in
>>>bright colors and strut in public proclaiming war -- I'm busy *doing*
>>>something about the problem.  So is Gwen, so is Virginia, so are a 
>>>of other people on this list who deal with patronizers every day and
>>>force them back a hard-won inch by inch.
>>>As I said in my post, there are obvious abusers all around us.  You
>>>can call them poverty pimps, or you can call them exploiters, or you
>>>can call them anything you wish because the CDA didn't pass, but if
>>>you are passionate about these convictions *go after the real
>>>Don't let anybody set you off after false targets just by pointing,
>>>yelling, and using loaded words.
>>>Another point I mad in my post that you did not respond to was -- put
>>>most of your energy into positives.  Abusers must be opposed, yes --
>>>but the main work of creating a better situation for all is going to
>>>come from positive action for our friends, not negative action 
>>>our enemies.
>>>> >Go build something.
>>>~~ Anitra
>>> for a full list of 
>>>and webrings because if I list them all here, you will be SO mad at 
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