Re: Money (was "RE:Psych. label bible mocked in London Times")

Donald Bokor (
Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:20:52 -0800 (PST)

Dear Ellen,

Thanks for your support.  But I am not God so I am not perfect and thus
would appreciate your criticism as well.  Maybe together we all can make a
real difference in our own lives, in our communities, and in the world.
Just imagine a world without hunger, homelessness, alienation, hate and
war.  I don't imagine the capitalists in the military industrial complex
will like it, nor the politicians, but fuck them anyhow for being such a
plague on humankind.  Imagine, we can send men to the moon, space probes
to the outer planets of our solar system, drop billions of dollars worth
of bombs and military personnel and equipment on a country half way around
the world, but we do not have the technology to feed and house everybody
on earth.  I am stupid, or does something not add up here?  Why would
humans want to starve and expose to the weather other humans?  Maybe those
who are starving and homeless want to be?  Well I doubt that very many
people are like me in their willingness to endure homelessness as a moral
protest to the injustices of the system, so I doubt that most of the
starving and homeless choose their plight.  Rather, I must believe that
they are being punished by society, or that they are being harvested for
their resources (like the Germans did with the Jews, and the AmeriKKKans
did with the Indians).  But maybe I'm just a paranoid, cynical, drug
addicted fuck who just hates everything and wants to destroy the world?
Does anybody have any opinioins on this?

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Peace through Reason wrote:

> I agree completely with the following clips from Donald's analysis of work
> and money.  If anybody cares.  I've been living by those principles for
> nearly fourteen years.  The only thing I'd add is that "capitalism" has
> become one of those subjective words that people get emotional about (like
> "patriotism"); I think we should dig deeper than the buzz words (which
> Donald is doing so well here).
> Love you guys!
> Ellen Thomas
> >Opportunities to work do not necessarily mean meaningfullness of work.  I
> >have many opportunities to work in fast food, but they only serve to lower
> >my self esteem because I am too low-priced of a whore to be able to afford
> >to feed and house myself.  Yet, when I volunteer my time and energy to
> >help needy people or to clean up the public commons, my self esteem rises
> >even though my pocketbook does not benefit.  In fact, volunteering is the
> >best way that I have found to bring me out of depression.  Whereas,
> >working at a meaningless job (other then economic meaning) is a great way
> >to make me depressed.  (SNIP)  The system
> >has not and will not make me work for money.  I see money as coming from
> >and supporting a system which murders and marginalizes people, and I
> >refuse to participate in or reproduce such a system.  (SNIP)
> >And I have to disagree with Liberty, because it is not cheaper to put
> >people on pension that it is to help the become economically
> >self-sufficient.  My reason for this statement is that economic
> >self-sufficiency is an oxymoron and thus impossible to achieve.  What
> >capitalists and politicians want to call economic self-sufficiency is
> >actually dependency on the money that drives their economic and
> >governmental systems.  If people were to be economically self-sufficient
> >then they would not need money, and as AmeriKKKan and KKKanadian history
> >have shown those people's who were economically self-sufficient (the
> >native indians) were exterminated so room could be made for more
> >economically dependent types of people (the Europeans).
> >Like I'm saying, we need to be very careful how we define our problems,
> >and the means to solve them.  We've already opened the Pandora's Box of
> >capitalism and it has been found wanting.  We need to find real
> >alternatives for people being oppressed by current economic and political
> >systems.  And I'm not willing to accept alternatives that place some
> >political or economic value on my life.
> >
> >Donald W. Bokor
> >
> >