Re: SHELTERS -N- SOUP KITCHENS LIST DELETED BY XOOM.COM Webmaster (Bruce)

Rosaphilia (rugosa@interport.net)
Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:24:56 +0000


send me the code and i'll echo it on my site.



Theodore Latham wrote:
> 
> ATTN: All Tedrico's Page Shelters -N- Soup Kitchens List Member Sites
> 
>      I'm sure you've noticed by now that your referal traffic has been
> greatly reduced and for some of you, completely cut off as of 7/30/98!
> TI regret to inform you, that Shelters -N- Soup Kitchens, along with the
> entire Tedrico's Page Homelessness Resource Links website, has been
> DELETED by XOOM.COM's Webmaster (Bruce). Who'd do such a thing you ask?
> Well, read my response to his response which are both included below.
> Pending Webmaster Bruce's next response, The US / Canadian Shelters -N-
> Soup Kitchen List will be either fully restored along with the rest of
> the site, or you will be informed as to what you can do to help
> Tedrico's Page, the Homeless Power Union, the Global Homeless Network,
> the American Homeless Society, the Wyoming Coalition for the Homeless,
> and 62 (and growing) other homeless advocacy supporters, launch a full
> "BOYCOTT XOOM" campaign which you know, I'll have no problem promoting
> to full effectiveness, as I have done for many of your sites since you
> became a part of the S -N- SK list. Let's all HOPE that XOOM does the
> right thing and re-instate Tedrico's Page so we can continue to assist
> the homeless with food, shelter, clothing , etc.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tedrico Latham
> 
> _________________________
> TEDRICO'S PAGE
> http://members.xoom.com/tedrico/?homelessness
> Your Informative Homelessness Resource Link!
> P.O. Box 514 Rich Square, NC 27869 (252)539-4228
> <tedrico@hotmail.com>
> 
> ---- Tedrico's Response to Xoom Webmaster  -----
> 
> Bruce,
> 
>     This response is BS .. and I don't mean Bachelor of Science either.
> "Shouldn't I have had the right to speak on behalf of my own defense and
> perhaps .. try to resolve this matter through negotiation with you or
> whomever made the initial complaint before you had my site purged from
> your server?" Also, HOW could you bring yourself to write this letter,
> which is basically a "Blow-Off" and does not answer NOT ONE of the many
> questions put to you by both me and loads of concerned advocates of
> homelessness and people who are still on the streets, RIGHT NOW, even as
> I reply to this play on words you call a REASON for you actions. And
> just think, that after waiting 5 days and probably consulting with your
> legal people, this is the best reason you could come up with, to explain
> your motive for deleting Tedrico's Page: Homelessness, Hitchhiking,
> Panhandling, and Homeless Programs.
> 
>      I find it amazing, that you were even able to climb the executive
> business ladder to the position of CEO, every time I read this poor
> excuse for a response letter to an overwhelming amount of e-mails from
> those whom your heartless and thoughtless actions have angered, and may
> I add ...  to the point of PROTESTING & BOYCOTTING of your services and
> products. I'm not your ordinary HTML programmer which I'm sure you've
> already figured out, and even if you haven't, someone on your staff has,
> which would explain why they allowed me to receive the following message
> to Joey on your abuse team:
> 
> Reply-To: "Abuse@Xoom.com" <abuse@xoom.com>
> From: "Abuse@Xoom.com" <abuse@xoom.com>
> To: "Theodore Latham" <tedrico@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Found something WEIRD in my Server Log!
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:44:58 +0100
> 
> Uhhh!  Joey check this out!  Is it cool for one of our members to be
> able to do this?  Also this situation is getting out of hand.  One
> guy threatens lawsuit to have this site removed will now he is getting
> pissed and knows he has been removed.
> 
>     And my lawyer tells me that your staff member has agreed to give
> their full cooperation on this matter so long as they can retain their
> anonymous identity and be exonerated from what both my lawyer and I have
> in store for XOOM. Tell me Bruce, have you ever seen "Mutiny on the
> Bounty". I curious, because surely now, you must be wondering who on
> your XOOM abuse staff has strayed away from their vow of allegiance to
> you and the XOOM organization on a whole. Are they "somewhere deep down
> inside" an advocate of helping the homeless. You'll never know!! But, in
> my opinion, this staff member should be given a Pulitzer prize for
> leaving the back door open to your server's administative area that
> night, so that it was easy for me to find out what reason you used, when
> filling out the LOCKOUT FORM located at:
> 
> http://master.xoom.com/Actions/lockouts/
> 
>      ... you know the one I speak of, which includes the reasons for
> your lockout actions, 2 of which in my opinion, I believe to be an
> example of an ISP having too much power over it's members sites and
> UNETHICAL ABUSE OF AUTHORITY! Here are the 2 I'm referring to:
> 
> User is an Asshole
> Simpy Disliked the User
> 
>      But NO! .. You didn't choose either of these reasons to purge
> Tedrico's Page from your server .. but .. instead, the one you did
> choose ... "MP3" , which I made sure that many of my e-mailed supporters
> were able to see before you closed the back door server administration
> loophole left by your staff member, clearly denotes that you randomly
> selected this reason to purge my site, probably just so you'd have a log
> record on your books to show a reason why for any future inquiry
> requests. Well when I see you in court, you'll have to show this record,
> and you know you can't change what was previously there to something
> else, because the entry time will be logged for a day and time other
> than Thursday evening when you initially filled the form out and issued
> the purge request. Need I remind you again:
> 
> >host048.xoom.com - - [30/Jul/1998:18:01:45 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200
> >54 "http://logger.xoom.com/viewer/tedrico" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
> >MSIE 4.0; Windows NT)"
> >
> >host048.xoom.com - - [30/Jul/1998:18:01:48 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200
> >54 "JavaScriptTurnedOff" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows
> >NT)"
> >
> >host048.xoom.com - - [30/Jul/1998:18:03:10 +0000] "GET /index.html
> >HTTP/1.0" 200 54
> "http://master.xoom.com/Actions/lockouts/x-ray/tedrico"
> >"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT)"
> 
>      We all know that MP3's are 3 layered .Mpeg format movies and true
> enough, had I had one or more of these on my site, then I'd be guilty of
> violating your Terms of Agreement and copyright infringemnets as well.
> But, I did NOT have an MP3 on my site because I know, as a professional
> designer & promoter of websites, that MP3's require special players that
> the majority of the netizens on the WWW don't readily have installed on
> their computer platforms, and thus it would pose an overall operating
> system compatibility problem for viewers of the web page that it resides
> on.
> 
>      So, with all of this said, I ask you once more ..... WHY was
> Tedrico's Page abruptly and wrongfully purged from not only YOUR server
> and CYBERSPACE, but also from the rather LARGE online homeless support
> system that many currently homeless, formerly homeless, marginally
> homed, and homeless advocates have relied on as a top source for contact
> information and educational support. This is no longer just a mere
> problem between the ISP and the Client, but a political issue and I know
> my supporters won't stop until (1) you've consulted with me to RESOLVE
> the trademark dispute, if there actually was one in the first place ,
> (2) my site has been restored under its original URL, and (3) a letter
> of apology has been sent to ME. And I won't take this lightly either. In
> fact, if I don't get a REAL answer from you next time, you will force me
> to sue the pants off of XOOM, and promote the LARGEST online campaign
> against your 4th ranked ISP in the history of the internet. And I assure
> you, that I am a PROFESSIONAL promoter of websites. You obviously have
> no idea what it's like for ACTIVISTS to be on your back! All I can say
> further is ... the ball in in your court and the question here is ...
> "Will my promotion efforts be for you ... or AGAINST YOU"!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tedrico Latham
> 
> _________________________
> TEDRICO'S PAGE
> http://members.xoom.com/tedrico/?homelessness
> Your Informative Homelessness Resource Link!
> P.O. Box 514 Rich Square, NC 27869 (252)539-4228
> <tedrico@hotmail.com>
> 
> ---------- Xoom Webmaster Response ----------
> 
> Subject: re: members.xoom.com/tedrico
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:29:49 -0800
> From: WebMaster <webmaster@xoom.com>
> To: <tedrico@hotmail.com>
> 
> Mr Latham's site was removed because he violated our Terms of Service
> agreement.
> 
> Many of you have speculated as to what the cause was, and others have
> made assumptions (including Mr. Latham)... none of which were correct.
> It should be hard to draw such conclusions when you don't have all the
> information (and legally, I'm not allowed to give it to you... much to
> my chagrin.)
> 
> While I admire the work that many of you are involved with, I must say
> that I'm quite shocked at the attitude, threats and demands that many of
> you conveyed to me and to Xoom.
> 
> And to those of you who took a calmer, more inquisitive tone, thank you.
> 
> This was a legal issue, pure and simple.
> 
> We received a very pointed and direct complaint about a trademark
> violation, and to keep both Xoom AND Ted Latham out of any possible
> legal conundrum, we removed the site.
> 
> We only provide notice of removal under specific conditions, and the
> threat of legal action due to trademark violation is not one of those
> conditions.
> 
> We're pretty clear about such violations in our Terms of Service
> agreement, for precisely this reason.
> 
> While Xoom is very happy to host sites with such noble goals, we cannot
> and will not allow such violations.
> 
> thank your for your attention,
> 
> Bruce
> Xoom Webmaster
> 
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