[Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - temporary shelter - ...

W.C.Tinker wtinker@metrocast.net
Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:32:42 -0500


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Any time you start herding people into one area,or into "Rudyism" =
[NIMBY] or SNOB zoning like ex mayors idea of gigantic plastic covered =
croup tents for homeless you got to realize its being done to =
control,and contain you.

This floating hostel is not the salvation of the homeless or poor sorry!

Also it would be a haven for illegal activities and communicable disease =
night mare.

The answer is affordable permanent housing or start buying body bags!

Bill
New Hampshire Homeless / founded 11-28-99
25 Granite Street
Northfield,N.H. 03276  USA
603-286-2492
Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced human rights.
http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html
NH-ADAPT / NOT DEAD YET

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rod Graham=20
  To: homeless peoples network=20
  Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:26 AM
  Subject: Fw: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rod Graham=20
  To: W.C.Tinker=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


  I think a floating hostel would be a great idea.  #1.  It would get =
the homeless away from the areas they are stuck it.  It is a vicious =
cycle, any change may give a psychological boost. #2.  The novelty of =
the idea would be good for their morale.  comming and going from one =
poverty location to the next keeps one in a state of depression. #3 They =
should not stop their but retrofit the buses too and take them on deep =
sea fishing expeditions.  this might sound extravegant but I am =
desperately serious.  There is a program here in Canada where the poor =
are taken fishing and it has been a great program.  The money wasted on =
grandeos projects with the money going into poverty pimps pockets would =
be well spent on such a creative idea.  One of our supervisors in the =
city I live in donates his entire pay check to a program that transports =
senior citizens.  He gets about half back (Amont that he gave)  from the =
government donation to keep.  Most politicinas and pimps are vastly =
overpayed not including the kick back type benifits they get after term. =
 Merry "Christmas" all.
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: W.C.Tinker=20
    To: HOBOMATT@aol.com=20
    Cc: HPN=20
    Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:41 AM
    Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


    I agree it also could be worlds biggest coffin!
    Bill
    New Hampshire Homeless / founded 11-28-99
    25 Granite Street
    Northfield,N.H. 03276  USA
    603-286-2492
    Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced human rights.
    http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org
    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html
    NH-ADAPT / NOT DEAD YET

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: HOBOMATT@aol.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:18 AM
      Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


      hccjr@bellsouth.net writes:


        <<<How do feel about a 1,200 room Hostel facility that is "self
        contained" with medical services, education, job training,
        mini-mart, barber and beauty shops, clothing store, day care,
        recreational facilities, pool, mental health, on-board jobs, =
etc?

        If such a facility could be established in either New York or =
San
        Francisco as a "Pilot Program" would you want to live on the USS
        Hostel for a time to get back on your feet?>>>


      It would be a night-mare.....  Same reasoning applies here as to =
why "Mega-shelters" are a bad idea.  You concentrate those with =
problems, you end up with a "problem facility".  Would YOU want to live =
in the community where this thing is docked?  Something of that size =
would reguire a LONG list of harshly enforced rules to make it =
survivable.  There's a "right size" for just about any human endeavor.  =
The "right size for a homeless shelter?  I'd say 100 to 150 people would =
be optimum.  1200 would be a Kafkaesq nightmare!
      Matt Parkhouse, RN
      Colorado Springs, CO




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any time you start herding people into =
one area,or=20
into "Rudyism" [NIMBY] or SNOB zoning&nbsp;like ex mayors idea =
of&nbsp;gigantic=20
plastic covered croup tents for homeless you got to realize&nbsp;its =
being done=20
to control,and contain you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This floating hostel is not the =
salvation of the=20
homeless or poor sorry!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also it would be a haven for illegal =
activities and=20
communicable disease night mare.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The answer is affordable permanent =
housing or start=20
buying body bags!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>New Hampshire Homeless / founded =
11-28-99<BR>25=20
Granite Street<BR>Northfield,N.H. 03276&nbsp;=20
USA<BR>603-286-2492<BR>Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced human=20
rights.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org">http://www.newhampshirehomel=
ess.org</A><BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html">http://w=
ww.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html</A><BR>NH-ADAPT=20
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  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dwtinker@metrocast.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:wtinker@metrocast.net">W.C.Tinker</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:07 PM</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think a floating hostel would be a =
great=20
  idea.&nbsp; #1.&nbsp; It would get the homeless away from the areas =
they are=20
  stuck it.&nbsp; It is a vicious cycle, any change may give a =
psychological=20
  boost. #2.&nbsp; The novelty of the idea would be good for their =
morale.&nbsp;=20
  comming and going from one poverty location to the next keeps one in a =
state=20
  of depression. #3 They should not stop their but retrofit the buses =
too and=20
  take them on deep sea fishing expeditions.&nbsp; this might sound =
extravegant=20
  but I am desperately serious.&nbsp; There is a program here in Canada =
where=20
  the poor are taken fishing and it has been a great program.&nbsp; The =
money=20
  wasted on grandeos projects with the money going into poverty pimps =
pockets=20
  would be well spent on such a creative idea.&nbsp; One of our =
supervisors in=20
  the city I live in donates his entire pay check to a program that =
transports=20
  senior citizens.&nbsp; He gets about half back (Amont that he=20
  gave)&nbsp;&nbsp;from the government donation to keep.&nbsp; Most =
politicinas=20
  and pimps are vastly overpayed not including the kick back type =
benifits they=20
  get after term.&nbsp; Merry "Christmas" all.</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=3Dwtinker@metrocast.net=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, =
2003 9:41=20
    AM</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree it also could be worlds =
biggest=20
    coffin!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>New Hampshire Homeless / founded 11-28-99<BR>25 Granite=20
    Street<BR>Northfield,N.H. 03276&nbsp;=20
    USA<BR>603-286-2492<BR>Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced =
human=20
    rights.<BR><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org">http://www.newhampshirehomel=
ess.org</A><BR><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html">http://w=
ww.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html</A><BR>NH-ADAPT=20
    / NOT DEAD YET<BR></DIV>
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      <A title=3DHOBOMATT@aol.com=20
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, =
2003=20
      10:18 AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Hpn] Floating =
"Hostels"=20
      for those called Homeless - temporary shelter - ...</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
      FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><A=20
      href=3D"mailto:hccjr@bellsouth.net">hccjr@bellsouth.net</A> =
writes:<BR><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
      TYPE=3D"CITE">&lt;&lt;&lt;How do feel about a 1,200 room Hostel =
facility=20
        that is "self<BR>contained" with medical services, education, =
job=20
        training,<BR>mini-mart, barber and beauty shops, clothing store, =
day=20
        care,<BR>recreational facilities, pool, mental health, on-board =
jobs,=20
        etc?<BR><BR>If such a facility could be established in either =
New York=20
        or San<BR>Francisco as a "Pilot Program" would you want to live =
on the=20
        USS<BR>Hostel for a time to get back on your=20
      feet?&gt;&gt;&gt;</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
      FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
      FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">It would be a night-mare.....&nbsp; Same =
reasoning=20
      applies here as to why "Mega-shelters" are a bad idea.&nbsp; You=20
      concentrate those with problems, you end up with a "problem=20
      facility".&nbsp; Would YOU want to live in the community where =
this thing=20
      is docked?&nbsp; Something of that size would reguire a LONG list =
of=20
      harshly enforced rules to make it survivable.&nbsp; There's a =
"right size"=20
      for just about any human endeavor.&nbsp; The "right size for a =
homeless=20
      shelter?&nbsp; I'd say 100 to 150 people would be optimum.&nbsp; =
1200=20
      would be a Kafkaesq nightmare!<BR>Matt Parkhouse, RN<BR>Colorado =
Springs,=20
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