Fw: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - temporary shelter - ...

Rod Graham quixote@mts.net
Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:26:26 -0600


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From: Rod Graham=20
To: W.C.Tinker=20
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


I think a floating hostel would be a great idea.  #1.  It would get the =
homeless away from the areas they are stuck it.  It is a vicious cycle, =
any change may give a psychological boost. #2.  The novelty of the idea =
would be good for their morale.  comming and going from one poverty =
location to the next keeps one in a state of depression. #3 They should =
not stop their but retrofit the buses too and take them on deep sea =
fishing expeditions.  this might sound extravegant but I am desperately =
serious.  There is a program here in Canada where the poor are taken =
fishing and it has been a great program.  The money wasted on grandeos =
projects with the money going into poverty pimps pockets would be well =
spent on such a creative idea.  One of our supervisors in the city I =
live in donates his entire pay check to a program that transports senior =
citizens.  He gets about half back (Amont that he gave)  from the =
government donation to keep.  Most politicinas and pimps are vastly =
overpayed not including the kick back type benifits they get after term. =
 Merry "Christmas" all.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: W.C.Tinker=20
  To: HOBOMATT@aol.com=20
  Cc: HPN=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


  I agree it also could be worlds biggest coffin!
  Bill
  New Hampshire Homeless / founded 11-28-99
  25 Granite Street
  Northfield,N.H. 03276  USA
  603-286-2492
  Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced human rights.
  http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org
  http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html
  NH-ADAPT / NOT DEAD YET

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: HOBOMATT@aol.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:18 AM
    Subject: Re: [Hpn] Floating "Hostels" for those called Homeless - =
temporary shelter - ...


    hccjr@bellsouth.net writes:


      <<<How do feel about a 1,200 room Hostel facility that is "self
      contained" with medical services, education, job training,
      mini-mart, barber and beauty shops, clothing store, day care,
      recreational facilities, pool, mental health, on-board jobs, etc?

      If such a facility could be established in either New York or San
      Francisco as a "Pilot Program" would you want to live on the USS
      Hostel for a time to get back on your feet?>>>


    It would be a night-mare.....  Same reasoning applies here as to why =
"Mega-shelters" are a bad idea.  You concentrate those with problems, =
you end up with a "problem facility".  Would YOU want to live in the =
community where this thing is docked?  Something of that size would =
reguire a LONG list of harshly enforced rules to make it survivable.  =
There's a "right size" for just about any human endeavor.  The "right =
size for a homeless shelter?  I'd say 100 to 150 people would be =
optimum.  1200 would be a Kafkaesq nightmare!
    Matt Parkhouse, RN
    Colorado Springs, CO




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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:07 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think a floating hostel would be a =
great=20
idea.&nbsp; #1.&nbsp; It would get the homeless away from the areas they =
are=20
stuck it.&nbsp; It is a vicious cycle, any change may give a =
psychological=20
boost. #2.&nbsp; The novelty of the idea would be good for their =
morale.&nbsp;=20
comming and going from one poverty location to the next keeps one in a =
state of=20
depression. #3 They should not stop their but retrofit the buses too and =
take=20
them on deep sea fishing expeditions.&nbsp; this might sound extravegant =
but I=20
am desperately serious.&nbsp; There is a program here in Canada where =
the poor=20
are taken fishing and it has been a great program.&nbsp; The money =
wasted on=20
grandeos projects with the money going into poverty pimps pockets would =
be well=20
spent on such a creative idea.&nbsp; One of our supervisors in the city =
I live=20
in donates his entire pay check to a program that transports senior=20
citizens.&nbsp; He gets about half back (Amont that he =
gave)&nbsp;&nbsp;from the=20
government donation to keep.&nbsp; Most politicinas and pimps are vastly =

overpayed not including the kick back type benifits they get after =
term.&nbsp;=20
Merry "Christmas" all.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dwtinker@metrocast.net=20
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  href=3D"mailto:HOBOMATT@aol.com">HOBOMATT@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dhpn@lists.is.asu.edu=20
  href=3D"mailto:hpn@lists.is.asu.edu">HPN</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, =
2003 9:41=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Hpn] Floating =
"Hostels" for=20
  those called Homeless - temporary shelter - ...</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree it also could be worlds =
biggest=20
  coffin!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>New Hampshire Homeless / founded 11-28-99<BR>25 Granite=20
  Street<BR>Northfield,N.H. 03276&nbsp;=20
  USA<BR>603-286-2492<BR>Advocates,activists,for disabled,displaced =
human=20
  rights.<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.newhampshirehomeless.org">http://www.newhampshirehomel=
ess.org</A><BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html">http://w=
ww.nationalhomeless.org/state/newhampshire.html</A><BR>NH-ADAPT=20
  / NOT DEAD YET<BR></DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3DHOBOMATT@aol.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:HOBOMATT@aol.com">HOBOMATT@aol.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 02, =
2003 10:18=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Hpn] Floating =
"Hostels"=20
    for those called Homeless - temporary shelter - ...</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><A=20
    href=3D"mailto:hccjr@bellsouth.net">hccjr@bellsouth.net</A> =
writes:<BR><BR>
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    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
    TYPE=3D"CITE">&lt;&lt;&lt;How do feel about a 1,200 room Hostel =
facility=20
      that is "self<BR>contained" with medical services, education, job=20
      training,<BR>mini-mart, barber and beauty shops, clothing store, =
day=20
      care,<BR>recreational facilities, pool, mental health, on-board =
jobs,=20
      etc?<BR><BR>If such a facility could be established in either New =
York or=20
      San<BR>Francisco as a "Pilot Program" would you want to live on =
the=20
      USS<BR>Hostel for a time to get back on your=20
    feet?&gt;&gt;&gt;</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">It would be a night-mare.....&nbsp; Same =
reasoning=20
    applies here as to why "Mega-shelters" are a bad idea.&nbsp; You =
concentrate=20
    those with problems, you end up with a "problem facility".&nbsp; =
Would YOU=20
    want to live in the community where this thing is docked?&nbsp; =
Something of=20
    that size would reguire a LONG list of harshly enforced rules to =
make it=20
    survivable.&nbsp; There's a "right size" for just about any human=20
    endeavor.&nbsp; The "right size for a homeless shelter?&nbsp; I'd =
say 100 to=20
    150 people would be optimum.&nbsp; 1200 would be a Kafkaesq=20
    nightmare!<BR>Matt Parkhouse, RN<BR>Colorado Springs, CO</FONT><FONT =
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