[Hpn] FYI So this is how we treat our veterans Mr. President!

Harmony Kieding worldhome@thesociety.net
Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:06:14 -0700

Does the bullying never end? Do the abuses of our rights never cease?
"It is seldom that any liberty is lost all at once."
~ David Hume

Forget about no room at the inn... no place in a Veteran's building for a vet?
sheesh... along with "Nimby", how about adding "NIMFY" (not in my Front Yard)
"NIOT" (Not in our Town) and also "NAAA" (Not Anywhere at all).

Something's got to give, and I suspect we are fed up with it's always being

PS. The URL that Kent posted didn't lead to his site, but to his directory-
I am wondering if there's another URL for it??



American Homeless Land Model


>From: Kent Paul Dolan xanthian@well.com
>"The Bully and the Crazy Boy" gantlet dropped by Clovis,
>      CA police department.
> Incident Report:
> Parties involved:
> Retired LCDR Kent Paul Dolan, Military ID 476-48-6712, henceforth
>"homeless veteran".
> Clovis California police department Officer Montero, Badge # 5027
>Clovis California police department Officer Fries, Badge # 5085
> Time and place of occurrance:
> 0545 Pacific Daylight Time, Thursday, 28 June 2001,
>Clovis California, Veterans Memorial Center, Veterans Memorial
>Building, an outside fenced patio, open through an ungated access
>to the sidewalk, on the south side of the building.
>Narrative of incident:
> Officer Montero awakened the homeless veteran, who was sleeping
>in a deeply recessed doorway at a place not visible from the road
>by passing occupants in vehicles such as police cars, due to the
>shielding of a low brick fence between the doorway and the road.
> When the homeless veteran told officer Montero that it would take
>a minute for the (mildly disabled and just aroused) homeless
>veteran to awaken fully and rise to his feet, Officer Montero
>responded "I don't have a minute".  In the event, Officer Montero
>had several, and used them to inform the homeless veteran that he
>was "trespassing".  This seemed odd to the homeless veteran, as
>the Veterans Memorial Building and Veterans memorial Center are
>"places of public accomodation" within the usual meaning of the
>law, open to and doing business with the general public.
> Officer Montero, while the homeless veteran folded and rolled his
>sleeping bag and attached it to the homeless veteran's furniture
>dolly, along with the homeless veteran's pillow and other personal
>effects, went on to tell the homeless veteran that he was
>"trespassing on private property".  Again this seemed odd to the
>homeless veteran, as to all appearances the Veterans Memorial
>Center is owned and operated by the City of Clovis California (and
>there is a plaque on the Veterans Memorial Building near the
>entranceway listing the directors of this Center which confirms
>that impression), and thus public property, not private property.
> When asked by the homeless veteran what the objection was to a
>homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk, Officer Montero replied
>that Clovis didn't have homeless people, because the police
>department didn't want the city to look, quote, "dirty", unquote.
>The homeless veteran immediately objected that that homeless
>veteran was not "dirty" but in fact recently and frequently
> Officer Montero then suggested, forcefully it seemed to the
>homeless veteran, that the homeless veteran take his
>(objectionable) homelessness elsewhere, suggesting a shelter in
>Fresno, an adjacent town.  The homeless veteran responded that
>said homeless veteran had recently visited that "shelter" and
>that in the homeless veteran's opinion based on the evidence of
>that visit, the "shelter" was an abode of Satanists, abusing the
>homeless for pleasure.
>Then Officers Montero and Fries repeatedly suggested that it
>would be most appropriate for the homeless veteran to take his
>homeless situation out of Clovis, and stated that the homeless
>veteran would be the recipient of increased police attention
>from the Clovis Police department if the homeless veteran
>remained in Clovis, an obvious threat by the officers and by
>implication by the police department and the City of Clovis
>to violate the homeless veteran's civil rights under the "equal
>protection" clause of the US Constitution's Bill of rights, as
>well as U.S. Supreme Court case law prohibiting the police
>department of Los Angeles California from harrassment of an
>individual merely for being "different".
> When the homeless veteran suggested that the two officers were
>well on their way to making Clovis California world famous to
>its disadvantage via Usenet, Officer Montero replied that Clovis
>would of course publish a rebuttal.  The homeless veteran then
>informed the two officers that the publication would be and the
>rebuttal should be addressed to Usenet newsgroups misc.misc and
>talk.bizarre (Usenet newsgroups talk.politics.misc and
>alt.society.homeless should have been listed, but were
>inadvertantly omitted by the homeless veteran).
> While Officer Montero initially threatened the homeless veteran
>with incarceration if the homeless veteran continued to be found
>living rough within the Clovis city limits, the homeless veteran
>was able quickly to inform Officer Montero how litte being offered
>shelter, food, safety of person, and guarding of personal effects
>would be perceived as punishment by a homeless person.  Officer
>Montero then revised his threat (legally, his "assault") to one of
>repeated ticketing for trespassing, with only eventually a
>possibility of incarceration.
> Officer Fries seemed to disagree with this assesment of probable
>future Clovis Police Department action, however, and reiterated to
>the homeless veteran threats to "throw you in a cell".  In the
>process of the two officers gathering the homeless veteran's
>identification, Officer Fries, unprompted, also commited a grievous
>and egregious violation of the homeless veteran's civil rights
>under the US Constitution's guarantee of religious freedom from
>official persecution, photographing the homeless veteran without
>first inquiring whether that might be a violation of the homeless
>veteran's (possibly Muslim) religious beliefs prohibiting being
>depicted in a "graven image".
> All in all, it seems clear that Officers Montero and Fries have
>thrown down the gantlet in challenge for a game of "The Bully and
>the Crazy Boy", with the (also) profoundly mentally ill homeless
>veteran in the role of the crazy boy, and the City of Clovis and
>its Police Department taking on the role of the bully.
> It is worth remarking that Officer Montero was surprised to
>learn that his dismissal of the homeless veteran's response
>to a request for prior arrest history with "I was arrested
>for attempted suicide" with "that's not an arrest", was
>replied to by the homeless veteran with a careful legal and
>etimological definition of "arrest".  [The homeless veteran
>was in this years-earlier incident handcuffed at the elbows
>behind his back, forced into the back of a police car,
>driven off, locked in a jail holding cell, and brought before
>a judge at the next regular business hours, an arrest in all
>usual definitions of the term.]
>The homeless veteran's use of the legal phrase "a place of public
>accomodation" to describe the Clovis Memroial District's Veterans
>Memorial Building was also offputting to Officer Montero, and in
>general, Officer Montero did not appear overjoyed to find that the
>homeless veteran was well aware of exact legal rights and not
>willing to be bullied in violation of those rights.
> Officer Montero also had to be informed of the definition of the
>term in common use in California and elsewhere, NIMBY (not in my
>back yard) when the homeless veteran used that term to
>characterize the Clovis approach to the (national) problem
>of homeless Americans.
> This all suggests to the open mind a probable need for improved
>training in the Clovis Police Department, both in terms of legal
>training in important day to day issues of police duties, such
>as what, exactly, constitutes an "arrest", and also in sensitivity
>training about how best to handle the frequently encountered issues
>of senior citizens, the disabled, the homeless, veterans, and the
>mentally ill, and people in general trying to live their lives the
>best they can without any exhibition of malice.
> Additionally, the City of Clovis could certainly use some awareness
>of the propriety of abusing veterans on the grounds of the Veterans
>Memorial Building, and the likely consequences of harrassing those
>grown old and well vested in ways to return harm for harm with a
>multiplier effect from the leverage of the tools the world provides,
>when unnecessarily provoked.
>                                 Cheers!
>                                xanthian.
>                                    --
>                             Kent Paul Dolan
>                           xanthian@well.com
>                    http://www.well.com/user/xanthian/
> [Readers wishing to do something useful with the above
>information are encouraged to copy this message to
>appropriate media, legal, and governmental entities at
>different levels with individually crafted expressions
>of opinion as to the events described.  The internet
>should be a dandy way to winkle out the appropriate email
>addresses and postal addresses.  That is how the game of
>The Bully and the Crazy Boy is played.]
> [The above has omitted because they were accomplished by
>innuendo rather than direct accusation the charges of
>urinating in the bushes and defacating on the street which
>the two officers made sure the homeless veteran knew were
>being leveled at him.]
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