[Hpn] Re: definitions and then some!

Bill Tinker wtinker@fcgnetworks.net
Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:59:37 -0400


Dear Nedra,
Don,t feel sorry for me work with us former homeless and disabled human
rights activists to end homelessness in our life time!
I feel a urgent need to let our country and governors know that we should
not have freezing persons on our streets nor should we allow people to die
of malnutrition in our country,but its happening..
We got viet nam vets dying in plain view of the white house,and disabled
displaced persons living out of dumpsters when they should be in a VA
Hospital..
Or getting Vetrens checks  what kind of country supports others in other
countries and allows its own US citizens to die in the streets with out
shelter answer me can you?
A Brother In Strife And In Peace
                    Bill NHHomeless@egroups.com



----- Original Message -----
From: Nedra Obradovich <paxamici@peoplepc.com>
To: HOMELESS DISCUSSION LIST <homeless@csf.colorado.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: definitions and then some!


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> To: HOMELESS DISCUSSION LIST <homeless@csf.colorado.edu>
> Cc: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: definitions and then some!
>
>
> > Hello All,
> > It looks good on paper but I believe we all have a few stories that are
> not
> > a generalization or stereo-types..
> > I my self have been homeless 5 times in my life time,and its been
> > increasingly harder to get back on my pins as I am now 50 plus years
old.
> > But you can not say that drugs,booze or mental illness are the cause
they
> > are symptoms,of a greater social disease and one of biggotry and apathy
> > which is abit ableistic to me ..I could be wrong but I have only life
> > experience to state my thoughts!
> > I feel that since I am both disabled and displaced that I have two
strikes
> > against me,before I attempt to find housing or help ...But why should I
> feel
> > this way?
> > We need to re educate persons to not victimize our already working poor
or
> > displaced persons whom by the way could also be disabled to..
> > To say drugs and alcohol and mental illness were the causes of all or
most
> > homeless problems is not true as they could be part of the social plague
> of
> > mans inhumanity to man,as apathy kills a homeless person quicker than
the
> > lack of food..
> > Lets be carefull how we blame or pin point the problems because even
> though
> > they sound good you still need to walk a mile in  our moccasins..OK ?
> > A Brother In The Homelessness Struggle
> >                       Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Myers <dhm@best.com>
> > To: HOMELESS DISCUSSION LIST <homeless@csf.colorado.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: definitions
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Nedra Obradovich wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > One could get very philosphical about the definition of homelessness
> > > > but it seems, that when speaking of a "universal" understanding of
> > > > homelessness, it is understood that a person or family without
> > > > adequate & permenet shelter (for economic or political reasons) from
> > > > the elements is considered homeless.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I like that definition.  It's about the best yet I've read.
> > >
> > > There are definitions of many words which are prescriptive,
descriptive,
> > > retrospective, rational, irrational, or somewhere inbetween.  The word
> > > "homeless" is ambiguous and has been mostly used irrationally.
> > >
> > > I once wrote a piece describing homeless people as "off-market
consumers
> > > of real estate who don't have a have a house, apartment, or fixed
> trailer
> > > home to live in, any of which meet general occupancy standards".
> > >
> > > The authors of the McKinney Act (42 U.S.C. Sec. 11302) did it a bit
> > > differently:
> > >
> > > > Sec. 11302. General definition of homeless individual
> > >
> > > > For purposes of this chapter, the term ''homeless'' or ''homeless
> > > > individual or homeless person'' an individual who lacks a fixed,
> > > > regular, and adequate nighttime residence; and
> > >
> > > > (2) an individual who has a primary nighttime residence that is
> > >
> > > > a supervised publicly or privately operated shelter designed to
> > > > provide temporary living accommodations (including welfare hotels,
> > > > congregate shelters, and transitional housing for the mentally ill);
> > > >
> > > > an institution that provides a temporary residence for individuals
> > > > intended to be institutionalized; or
> > > >
> > > > a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a
> > > > regular sleeping accommodation for human beings.
> > > >
> > > > Exclusion
> > > >
> > > > For purposes of this chapter, the term ''homeless'' or ''homeless
> > > > individual'' does not include any individual imprisoned or otherwise
> > > > detained pursuant to an Act of the Congress or a State law.
> > >
> > > Both those "definitions" are somewhat rational, but the irrationalists
> > > also have their way of looking at homelessness, as in "don't you have
a
> > > home?"  and "a homeless person is a person who sleeps outdoors or
where
> he
> > > is not supposed to and usually has a history of drug abuse, alcohol
> abuse,
> > > or mental illness".
> > >
> > >
> > Dear Bill,
>
> I am sorry that you have been homeless several times in your life. Each
time
> must have been devasting and you must have been scared over and over
again.
> It is a tradgedy and a shame that a country with resources and as rich as
we
> are there are people still with out a refuge. sincerely, nedra
> >
>
>