[HPN] [Fwd: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the RepublicofCambridge]

unclescam unclescam@buskers.org
Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:53:45 -0400


bill i never assumed this was a private message. i assume that any one on the
list that writes thru the list is listed. otherwise i'd a been callin you all
the names you laid on me.

Bill Tinker wrote:

> Hey Tom C,
> I guess uncle scam has finally lost his direction must be the sounding out
> you gave him,now he is using private messages to inflat his ego,I think he
> should have asked me and you if he wanted to go public ...
> I don,t save my messages I delete them or keep a thread going untill some
> one else jumps in if its worth while.
> You have a good day unclescam since you are a homeless advocate I am
> inviting you to our online meeting at our chat room
> http://www.egroups.com/members/nhhomeless  click on url look to your left
> you will see chat click on to that it will take you to meeting OK?
> A Brother In Peace And In Strife
>                         Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:19 PM
> Subject: [HPN] [Fwd: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic
> ofCambridge]
>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of Cambridge
> > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:17:03 -0400
> > From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> > Reply-To: unclescam@buskers.org
> > To: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> > References: <004701bfa66b$83e074e0$cb56d2d0@wtinker>
> > <38F7B196.47EDAEA6@buskers.org> <003301bfa673$eac51e60$a855d2d0@wtinker>
> > <38F7CB15.8DE771ED@buskers.org> <002001bfa67f$562843c0$a855d2d0@wtinker>
> > <38F7D247.2ED3A89D@buskers.org> <006201bfa683$76f111a0$a855d2d0@wtinker>
> >
> > bill, once again you
> > revert to the calling of names again.. nazi to twister,  but refuse to
> open
> > your mind. your sweet lady did not raise my ire, but my sense of
> > propriety. we
> > were asked to use the name as a constant. see list rules, and i asked
> > that that
> > be done. i have often put my web site on the list so that people could
> > understand where unclescam came from. is your name really bill? how
> > would i
> > know? .i did think at the time that she had used my birth name to
> > undermine the
> > points made, by myself, in contrary response to her  statements. this
> attempt
> > to discredit points is often used when there is no  counter response..
> >    as to being ideologically diased i will testify that i am not.  i am
> cross
> > referenced with a touch of divinity, and humanity based. i pander to none.
> >    i will apologise for a streak of  not pulling punches meanness.
> > i don't hide behind it , my face is in the public. you saw it and
> > ducked. next
> > time you come into my home it would be nice if you introduced yourself.
> > i'll be
> > in brattle square til october.
> > come with an open mind.
> >
> > Bill Tinker wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry you are a twisterof words,some one whom loves to argue for
> arguements
> > > sake,I have partied with the best and have now attempted to after years
> of
> > > abuse of my body and drugs come back to tell you,and  the real world is
> a
> > > trip but you have to know what you are actually fighting for and you
> appear
> > > ready to join the "black maria" gang awfully fast your mind set is
> > > fatelistic with a smattering of  socialism,I earned my check from being
> > > carved up about four times I also do not sit back and bitch! I told you
> we
> > > would be there and we were very visible you never came up to any body
> and
> > > introduced yourself at all you are hidding all right as Linda Morgan
> > > linda_m59_2000@yahoo.com  exposed your nocturnal side as she found out
> your
> > > real name and you did not like it ...Remember ????
> > > We may be a close knit group but I am certain you would find if you
> joined
> > > nh-adapt@juno.com or NHHomeless@egroups.com that we all have individual
> > > ideas!
> > > OK you have a really great night and if you are ever in NH stop by OK?
> > > A Brother
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> > > To: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of
> Cambridge
> > >
> > > > i'm in the square every day . i been around the world in the
> trenches.. no
> > > > hidin no closed mind. come out o your drugged existance, give up your
> > > > government check, stop using your dis/inability as a crutch, and join
> the
> > > real
> > > > world. ya figured out how to get a free ride, now use that to open
> your
> > > mind..
> > > > i'm on the front line, bill, not in the sticks shouting nazi at free
> > > choice. i
> > > > never hid behind a bottle or depression or a ladies skirts. stand up
> and
> > > shout
> > > > and speak the truth not the fears.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Tinker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Want to donate your body to this humanitarian?Jack Kevrokian?
> > > > > Please make sense I got Zolofts,Paxill,Trazadone, Vicadin 5/500,What
> you
> > > > > need to come back from that last trip..LOL
> > > > > No Unclescam,or Tom Newell of Cambridge at least I don,t hide behind
> a
> > > > > alias,I am right out front,by the way did you run a virus check on
> your
> > > > > computer?
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> > > > > To: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of
> > > Cambridge
> > > > >
> > > > > > no attack bill,
> > > > > >   questions to open a closed mind. as to me gettin off the planet,
> all
> > > i
> > > > > want
> > > > > > is the free choice, when and where. as it stands opening your mind
> > > should
> > > > > keep
> > > > > > me goin. dr jack is a hero to those who got the press..... the
> loved
> > > ones
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the free choice life enders. free choice , not the fears of closed
> > > minds,
> > > > > would
> > > > > > go far in ending discrimination.
> > > > > >    as for destroyin the ada, nothing could be further from my
> goal. i
> > > need
> > > > > that
> > > > > > insular, close minded entity to have a foil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Tinker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unclescam if you worked half as hard towards finding a end to
> > > > > homelessness
> > > > > > > or an end to social injustices or discrimination as you do
> > > instigating
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > would be a real earth shaking person of some power, run for Prez
> I
> > > will
> > > > > > > start a draft Unclescam movement if you want?
> > > > > > > Mellarill  is a male birth control pill by the way ..I saw it
> and
> > > > > Thorazine
> > > > > > > perfected in Waterbury, Vermont VSH in the 1960s...
> > > > > > > They killed a lot of people before they perfected it!
> > > > > > > The Gleitsman award was still given to a murderer by proxy,hey
> if
> > > you
> > > > > want
> > > > > > > off the planet so bad why do you attack the very persons whom
> fight
> > > for
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > constitutional rights to remain alive,untill you die or visa
> versa?
> > > > > > > My self if I really was that disgruntled with the system and
> others
> > > I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be trying to make changes not destroy the ADA and promote murder
> by
> > > a
> > > > > man
> > > > > > > whom is not a hero,he is in reality a sick person whom preyed on
> > > > > basically
> > > > > > > woman,and might have had a tad bit of necromania,and perhaps a
> bit
> > > of
> > > > > > > necrophilism in his background?
> > > > > > > A Brother In The Homeless And Disabled Struggle
> > > > > > >                         Bill Tinker
> > > > > > > A Brother
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> > > > > > > To: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 8:02 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of
> > > > > Cambridge
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > we all are of mixed heritage.why go after lilly whites?
> > > > > > > > so shut out the rest and close your mind and accept your
> inability
> > > to
> > > > > > > allow the
> > > > > > > > freedom to those not handicapped by weak ethics. you throw
> nazi so
> > > > > well
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > must be intimate with it. have it in your heart????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill Tinker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lets see we had a ex nun, a couple pastors,Indians [at least
> > > 4],and
> > > > > > > > > numerious other persons of mixed heritage...
> > > > > > > > > ADAPT is a multi racial non biased group all you need to
> join is
> > > be
> > > > > > > disabled
> > > > > > > > > either physically or mentally,so I belive you are beating a
> dead
> > > > > horse
> > > > > > > > > perhaps you should sign up for the Disability Rag called
> "The
> > > > > Mouth".
> > > > > > > > > There are no color lines in disability or handicaps
> > > > > > > > > I believe Tom Cagle can better state it..
> > > > > > > > > A Brother
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: unclescam <unclescam@buskers.org>
> > > > > > > > > To: Bill Tinker <wtinker@fcgnetworks.net>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:10 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of
> > > > > Cambridge
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > bill,
> > > > > > > > > >     i understand the concept, it's just that i find the
> waste
> > > of
> > > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > some thing you don't seem to understand. your
> demonstration
> > > was
> > > > > > > against a
> > > > > > > > > > concept of personal freedom i hold to be prime. the same
> > > freedom
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > desire, a
> > > > > > > > > > personal decision on my life's direction.
> > > > > > > > > >    you want to throw nazi around as if there was some
> > > > > organizational
> > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > made to kill you. not part of the equation. this was an
> > > individual
> > > > > > > seeking
> > > > > > > > > > from an individual the answer to individual freedom. the
> state
> > > > > refused
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > surcease and they were forced to seek thier freedom
> outside
> > > the
> > > > > bounds
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > civil society.. you were demonstrating against the
> personal
> > > > > freedom to
> > > > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > > > > >     the same choice my daughters have on whether to have a
> > > child
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > choice to smoke hemp or do psychotropics or mellerill or
> eat
> > > fatty
> > > > > > > foods
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > breathe city air or drive too fast on a lonely country
> road.
> > > this
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > seem
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > want to deny me.
> > > > > > > > > >    now i can understand the fears of the weakened that the
> > > state
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > for them. in this case dr. jack was acting in the cause of
> > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > making. not the state saying live with your particular
> pain so
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > money from your continued life. but a man who appreciated
> the
> > > > > agony of
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > folks and respected thier personal decision to deal with
> thier
> > > > > lives
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > thier
> > > > > > > > > > own way.
> > > > > > > > > >    as is often the case  one can simplify a difficulty by
> > > blaming
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > messenger. one can call nazi or commie or republican to
> ease
> > > thier
> > > > > > > > > confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > simple. easy. not reality.!! act now , call for a way to
> allow
> > > > > folks
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > rule
> > > > > > > > > > thier own lives. as we have a right to choose the bearing
> of
> > > > > children
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > as a personal choice, let us decide, on a personal basis,
> life
> > > or
> > > > > > > death
> > > > > > > > > > without criminalization.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   one more point, i saw no ethnics in your group so the
> > > calling of
> > > > > > > white
> > > > > > > > > elite
> > > > > > > > > > described your own group as well. seems like the pot
> calling
> > > the
> > > > > > > kettle.
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > all looked white to me or was there the token ethnic to
> > > balance it
> > > > > > > that i
> > > > > > > > > > didn't see til the cameras showed up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bill Tinker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt@juno.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <NH_ADAPT@onelist.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: <MDaemon@homebase.grava.org>;
> <nhhomeless@egroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [NH_ADAPT] A nights work in the Republic of
> > > Cambridge
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt@juno.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Local actions are the most troubling of things to do.
> If
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > spent
> > > > > > > > > > > > any time nurturing local activist's, you have some
> idea of
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > > precious and few they really are.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The eager cannot be spent before their time, the timid
> > > need to
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > comfort and courage. All need to find a constructive
> way
> > > to
> > > > > walk
> > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > curb, stop traffic and make their statement known to
> the
> > > > > public at
> > > > > > > > > large.
> > > > > > > > > > > > In terms small enough to fit in a sound bite.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > While I see beauty in each face that shone that night
> much
> > > of
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > was not obvious to some of there new faces. A little
> part
> > > of
> > > > > > > Camelot
> > > > > > > > > fell
> > > > > > > > > > > > off.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Gleitsman award is or was connected to the Kennedy
> > > school
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > law,
> > > > > > > > > > > > they pulled their endorsement. The new cast of the W's
> > > > > (worried
> > > > > > > white
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > well-to-do) got to slink to their awards dinner up the
> > > back
> > > > > > > elevators
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > past us with their briefcases held up against their
> heads
> > > to
> > > > > ward
> > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > glare rather like a celebrity  attending a first
> subpoena.
> > > > > Last
> > > > > > > nights
> > > > > > > > > > > > dinner was pretty cold shoulder for the people who
> would
> > > have
> > > > > us
> > > > > > > die
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > that they can celebrate their odd aversion, er,
> > > compassion.
> > > > > > > Getting
> > > > > > > > > close
> > > > > > > > > > > > enough to smell us was possibly worth the effort as
> out
> > > > > numbers
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the hundreds, but this lilly-white effete crowd got
> > > closer
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > they wanted.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 30 people came in the cold of a march day to watch
> Camelot
> > > go.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom C
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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